February 8th, 2010 at 12:06 pm Olivia Crowley says:
Love Darragh’s big yawn and head down on the table. What a great actor (even if it wasn’t prompted!!)
February 11th, 2010 at 10:41 am Tizzie says:
Its funny isn’t it, I didn’t see him do it until I saw the video!
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
February 15th, 2010 at 1:59 pm Tizzie says:
He was very cute and it will be nice to have these videos to look back on when he is older and the lambies and more lambies are a thing in the past.
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
February 17th, 2010 at 8:37 pm Nicole Clark says:
My 14 month old has never slept more than one sleep cycle unless in his own cot where it is nice and dark! Should I persevere with the buggy? Will he get it eventually? Or have I conditioned him to sleep in the dark?
And how do you like your double Mclaren, we’re about to have number 2 and I’m tossing up between the Mclaren and a tandem
Thanks and keep the videos coming!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your comment and question. Yes I believe while out and about in a environment other then the baby or toddlers normal sleeping cot or mosses basket it is important they can see you when they wake up between sleep cycles. I have never put a blanket or any type of cover over a pram or buggy. This is for two reasons one I believe they need to see you and two it can stop the freedom of air flow which might cause a sleeping accident. So yes I think it could be the reason you have out and about sleep problems.
Yes you might have conditioned him to sleep in the dark but why don’t you make his room a little brighter slowly over a week or two and see how he gets on. He might still work out how to sleep more than one sleep cycle in his buggy. Remember to ignore him if you can between sleep cycles and give him a good 20 minutes to get back to sleep. Let him see you are there but don’t chat or make eye contact with him. Just keep walking or pushing the buggy back and forth for the 20 minutes.
The Mclaren, I have always liked them and if you are in Melbourne thier stand is next to us at the baby show and I can show you some, but having said I like them I have to admit I am a bit disappointed with the new one I have and I prefer my 8 year old one. You see the new one is missing the middle handle which was useful when pushing a toddler and a baby because you would push the side the toddler was on and it didn’t feel like it was pulling to one side and also you can’t hang a nappy bag on the back without the third handle.
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
March 12th, 2010 at 12:52 pm Jennifer Galton says:
I have a bit of a dilemma x 2….
my son Felix (25w/old) is following your routine fairly consistently. Some days his sleeps are a bit shorter and some days perfect 2 x 2hrs:) He sleeps from 7pm-7am with one night feed in between and goes straight back to bed. I find with a dream feed he wakes 3 hrs later wanting another feed anyway so i have stopped and now he wakes around 2-4am for a quick feed then sleeps through til 7am.
In your book you mention leaving the house for some of the sleeps so mums can get out and do things and baby can sleep in the pram. My issue is so many organized events (babys reading group at library etc) happen to fall during ‘sleep times’ and I want him to be awake to experience them.
Today we missed out on an 11am event as my son is sleeping right up to 11 which does not give me enough time feed him and drive there(15mins). Is it ok to wake them from a sleep once or twice a week to do things or will that cause confusion and disrupt his sleeping patterns?
Also I have playgroup once a week from 12:30-2:30 and I have turned into the only mum with a grumpy crying baby. I try to settle him in a corner on a foam mattress(b4 everyone arrives) so he can sleep and he sucks his thumb and cuddles his comforter and tries to sleep but talks and looks around for at least 30 minutes before deciding he has had enough and he starts to cry. This ends up escalating to a scream eventually. The location is full of pictures, toys, mobiles, lights etc so it is very visually distracting for him. Also many of the other mums put their babys to sleep near him and when one of them cries or he sees people moving around he cries as well. It is hard for me to let him cry it out as he is SOOO LOUD and eveyone else’s babys seem to have a quick cry then fall asleep or sleep on the play mats or in their mums arms. He is great with self settling at home or on the floor in a spare room at friends houses etc but I think there may be too many distreactions at playgroup. It is affecting me as I spend most of the time holding a crying baby and am unable to bond with the other mums:( I have tried keeping him up and he is happy enough to sit and play until 1 or 1:30 but then he is overtired and screams and I end up leaving early.
When we stay home everything is perfect but I am sick of sprinting out between sleeps to quickly get things done. I want him to be a bit more flexible so we can enjoy more experiences together.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your post. It sounds like you and Felix are doing very well. I can give a few little tips but if you would like continued support and advice I will need to direct you to the online advice area.
Firstly it is quite normal for babies to sleep different amounts of times each day. 2 hours is the maximum sleep time but anything over around 80-90mins is acceptable. It is also fine to not do the dreamfeed, some babies don’t respond to this well and it is better to let them wake naturally. I assume you have started solids following my advice so you should very soon see the night feed dissappear.
With getting out and about you can vary the routine a little. For example, with your 11am commitment you could get him up at 10.30am and transfer him to the car and arrive at your destination to feed him there and then he can be involved. If you find when you do this he gets tired before the 1pm sleep time you can put him down a little earlier to catch up on lost sleep from the morning, as long as he then sleeps through until his next feed time. Once you have the routines working well at home which is sounds like you have you can make small little changes such as this to allow for going out and about.
In regards to Playgroup, It is really not safe to leave a baby of 25 weeks to sleep on a play mat at playgroup or anywhere unfamilar and not supervised. If could be very easy for him to fall of the mat or another child to go up and try and pick him up etc. A safer option and one that will likely help with the stimulation problems is putting him to sleep in his pram at playgroup and when staying with friends it is much safer for him to be in a portacot or supervised in his pram. I suspect asking him to sleep on a playmat is very different for him and you may not be using bedding so he may not be warm enough to settle. I would try settling him in his pram with it facing you so he can see you and using his safe sleeping bag and appropriate bedding for the room temperature. It is ok to rock the pram a little inbetween sleep cycles to help him back to sleep if he wakes after a catnap as described in my video above. Please note when your baby is asleep in a pram you should always have the pram right with you and be supervising your baby.
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:21 am stephanie says:
My baby is 13 weeks old and I have been following your routines on the dot until 2-3 weeks ago, he is trying to move to 5 feeds and then has the last one at night at 4.30 – 5 ish am and will never accept a top-up at 7.00 he is not hungry ! so instead I give him a feed every 4 hours and then a top-up at 6.30pm after his bath and before bed that he seems to accept … thanks to tell me what you think …
I have bought your book and love it. I am currently trying to do a bit of both pram and cot sleeping during the day (and the occaisional car) I find that Stephanie (now 8 weeks corrected age but she was 12 weeks prem) settles and sleeps well during the day in the pram ( I try to leave it uncovered) but wakes after one sleep cycle at home in her cot – she will then cry on and off for 1/2- 45 mins and then fall back to sleep, I dont have to go in there to resettle her, but I have tried 5 straight days now and she still cries inbetween.
She goes down well for now at 7pm so at least that is good, but she will cry for up to 5 mins when I first put her down, but I am worried if I dont deal with the day time sleeps she will eventually not sleep well at night. Has her prematurity got something to do with it – there is not a lot of help out there for us prem mums! WIll she ever learn to resettle between sleep cycles without crying!!??
July 18th, 2010 at 5:35 pm Simone says:
I forgot to mention that she also cries every time I put her down in her cot, usually only 3-5 mins but still its distressing to hear, I would like bed times to be pleasant!
July 19th, 2010 at 2:45 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your comment, I am glad you love my book. I had my little boys early as well so yes I know what you mean about prem babies and not so much help. The catnapping in the day could be related to your little one needing to start solids with a baby born 12 weeks early I suggest you start them at 21 weeks.
I too believe if you don’t fix the daytime sleeps the night time will go haywire as well, so if you are able to join my online advice area I can help you more or maybe even book a consultation with me. If not a couple of things I would suggest is checking the bedding because she might be warmer in the pram and that’s why she is sleeping better so try my bedding guide. Also look at hunger and the other thing is a little more awake time if you are not on the ten week to starting solids routine yet please move to this.
Good luck and I will look forward to talking to you in the advice area if you join!
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
July 20th, 2010 at 8:44 am Simone says:
Thanks Tizzie, its good to know I am not going mad about prem babies being a little different, my friends dont seem to understand! How prem were yours? Funny you mention the solids as just in the last few days I have noticed her watching me eating which she has not done before. I worry though as she is already on medication for reflux, but I could check with her peaditrician. She also seems capeable of staying up 2 hours after a feed. I keep the nursery around 20 degrees as best I can, but may need to add some more blankets. A consultation sounds great, could be a good idea to set things up right once and for all. I could only see the online advice area though, I will double check for the consultation and then maybe I will see you soon!
Thank you for your post. I have sent you an email with our support options.
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August 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your lovely post and I am so pleased to hear that by reading my book you worked out your baby was overtired and didn’t have colic – well done!
With the catnapping it is very hard for me to comment without a full background but I would not recommend you leave him to cry without looking at all the reasons for catnapping which can include hunger, not tired enough to sleep well, too cold, negative sleep aids etc. I would recommend you follow my advice on how to resolve catnapping once you have established why is doing so. The best way for you to establish why your little may be catnapping is to read my catnapping article – or it is also printed in the revised edition of my baby book. Here is the link to the article – http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/product/1803/4127/
If you continue to have problems with catnapping after reading my advice then you may like to consider the online advice area to get extra support in resolving the issue.
Keep up the great parenting.
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
August 30th, 2010 at 9:55 pm Ruth Lenz says:
Your book has been brilliant. I have been a follower since my 1st daughter Sophie was 7 months old. She is now 2 and a half. I have a question about the 10 weeks routine for my second daughter, Sara, who is 4 months old. Does the final sleep of the day have to be in the pram or car? Is this because the baby may occasionally not have this sleep? I am finding it very inconvenient to leave the house at this time as this is an ideal time to cook dinner. I can adapt and it is only for another 2.5 months as my baby is now 4 months, but I would prefer to be home at this time every day? Are there any options to this situation?
August 31st, 2010 at 8:20 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your comment, the nap can be in a bouncer or the pram in the house, the idea is if the baby doesn’t sleep you are not giving her mixed messages by getting her up. But please remember not to leave your little one unattended at this nap time in a pram or bouncer as they are meant for use with adult supervision. Also it is a good idea to have your little one wrapped with the normal bedding and safe sleeping bag for this sleep.
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
October 14th, 2010 at 11:07 pm Peta says:
Hi Tizzie, I had your SOS book recommended to me while I was 5 months pregnant and have followed your routines to the letter from the day Alexandra was born 15 weeks ago. Everything was going along perfect, she self settled, takes a bottle with no fuss, was sleeping from 7pm-7am with a dream feed from the age of 6 weeks and very very rarely cried…. Until she hit 10 weeks. At that 10 week mark she started to teethe and had a bit of a hard time with it, we managed that and her teeth have gone back down but the crying has persisted. We figured out the next issue was boredom eventually when we introduced a new toy and the problem seemed to resolve. Then for some (still unknown) reason my milk supply dropped and I cant get it back up. I have been expressing (with no success) to try and increase supply, I’ve taken fenugreek, blessed thistle and even tried a beer, but its all over the shop and I have had to comp feed her goats milk formula, During the last 5 weeks that we’ve had these problems she has started catnapping in the day, and waking at anywhere between 5.30 and 6.30am. I’m trying desperately to hang on to breast-feeding even though it doesnt seem to be enough for her but I’m worried it will cause a domino effect of sleep problems. At the moment she is overtired and hits her witching hour at 4.30 every afternoon and demands an extra feed every day between 4.30 and 5.30pm. She was 2 weeks over and is apparently very advanced according to my doctor and chiropractor, and was born 8lb 9oz (3385g) and I am feeling that she is ready to start solids but am not sure about her digestive system being ready. She shows a lot of interest in my anything I eat and has had little “tastes” (only enough for a smidge of flavour) but she is only just gone 15 weeks. Do I introduce solids at 4 months by the calendar? Or 4 months as in 16 weeks?? My mummy’s group and I are all very curious because everything we have been told by other sources says wait until 6 months but that’s a long time for this to continue and its starting to really wear me down. Any help is hugely appreciated. I tell everyone I meet how wonderful your book is and normally Alexandra is fantastic proof, but not so much at the moment 🙂 I am really looking forward to hearing from you ~ Thank you in anticipation, Peta and Alexandra
October 15th, 2010 at 2:16 pm Tizzie says:
Congratulations on the birth of Alexandra. It sounds like you are doing a great job and well done for trying so hard with the breastfeeding. I have found drinking lots of milk really helps a mum with her supply so I would advise you to try this. You didn’t go on the mini pill at 6 weeks by any chance because this can affect your supply and might be the problem.
With the cat napping and night waking the first thing I would suggest is you look at my safe bedding guide I find most sleep problems are caused by not enough bedding. Secondly I would suggest you start solids at 16 weeks I say 16 weeks not 4 calendar months. I know lots of people are still saying 6 months but I have found this to cause too many problems such as catnapping and allergies so I have gone back to saying 16 weeks, saying four months is as Clare Byam-Cook said in her book setting modern day parents up to fail.
Here is the link to the bedding guide http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/product/1174/26811/
Le gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
October 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for taking the time to say thank you, lots of grandparents make the comment you do its just common sense in my book. I think the trick to getting my boys to sleep so well out and about is we did it from day one. From experience t seems to be a hard thing to achieve with older babies.
You could try the pram at home but you would need to do this in your baby’s room and you would need to sit in the room supervising your baby because it is unsafe to leave a baby alone in a pram. Yes you would use the same bedding but be sure he doesn’t get wet with sweat, he might get too hot in his pram you might need to adjust his layers.
Once again thank you for the thank you I am pleased my book helped.
.gach dea-ghui, Tizzie
November 8th, 2010 at 1:11 pm Tizzie says:
Thank you for your message. Without further information it is very difficult to guide you as there could be many reasons why your baby is not settling during the sleep time. It could be hunger, he could be too cold in bed to settle and sleep well, he could need more awake time or he could be uncomfortable for some reason. The best way to get advice on establishing my routine and solving sleep or settling problems it so choose one of the support options below.
The best way to ask questions about your baby is to please subscribe to Online Advice, FAQ and Book updates 12 month Membership (http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/product/475/10741/) However before you do this we suggest you read my bedding guide because we have found in this age group addressing a baby’s bedding can solve 70 % of sleep problems (http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/ecms/product.asp?cid=1174&pid=26811) . The Save Our Sleep® Online Advice service offers a friendly, supportive online community where parents, myself and the Save Our Sleep® team help parents. You can chat to other parents, carers and friends who have similar parenting styles, and ask your questions there. You may find your question is already covered in previous threads.
This community of like-minded people willingly shares their experiences, advice and support with new members. Some of these parents have had previous one-on-one consultations with me and the Save Our Sleep® team, so are very helpful to new parents using the routines to establish them successfully. The Save Our Sleep® moderating team regularly checks the threads and clarifies any questions not fully or correctly answered where necessary. Members can alert the moderators via the ‘Contact an SOS Moderator’ thread if they feel a question has been overlooked or if they have tried following the advice but are still experiencing problems. If this is the case either I or one of my team will step in and direct you further.
We charge a yearly fee to register on our online advice area, to take up this offer please click here. There are two levels of online advice membership available. One is a full membership which allows you to post your questions and seek answers for your own individual situation, the other is a ‘read only’ membership which will provide you will full access to the online advice area but you will only be permitted to read the posts, you are unable to post any questions of your own. If you purchase a ‘read only’ membership you can upgrade this to a full membership at a later date should you wish too. Once we have received your payment we will activate your membership.
We also offer several direct, one-on-one support options with me and if you would like more information about these options please email via the website.
First let me tell you that you have been a lifesaver for our family! After the birth of our beautiful son who is 15 weeks old now I had some post natal depression and anxiety and believe me it was horrible. I never thought anything like that would happen. Fortunately I realised I needed help very early on and jumped into action and we are all so much better now. Before starting your routine we actually had started our own bedtime routine which works a charm so I didn’t alter it, however I want to know how I can adapt it so we can eventually take him out at night time. We usually do the following –
Bath & massage at 6.15pm
Feed at 6.35pm – he only takes 20 minutes at most to have his expressed bottle.
Cuddles and wrap him up and put him into bed at 7pm.
The bath and massage are a huge part of his routine and he really loves and enjoys this time and knows then he has his dinner and goes to bed afterwards. We haven’t introduced the dreamfeed and I don’t plan to as he should be starting solids very soon, so what do you suggest??
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I look forward to hearing from you 🙂
March 7th, 2011 at 4:10 am Sarah Somerville says:
I have been using your advice since my daughter was 3 months old. She is now 21 weeks and has started to wake at 3-4am. I am doing the dreamfeed at 10.30pm but she is still waking. I have just started solids at before the 6.30pm bottle. Should I be dropping the dreamfeed and if she wakes at 3-4am try feeding her then?
Thanks for your advice, it’s been a real saviour.
Thank you for your email. One of the most common reasons a baby wakes between 3-4am is because the baby is cold. I would suggest you firstly look at your little ones bedding and make sure she is warm enough in bed and not using the feed to warm up. Here is a link to the bedding guide – http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/ecms/product.asp?cid=1174&pid=26811
Secondly at 21 weeks Tizzie would be recommending that your baby be well established on solids and eating three meals a day of two courses each with you feeding her until she turns away and is full. We would recommend you look at these two things first. We would not recommend dropping the dreamfeed at this stage.
If you are looking for further help and support you may like to consider the online advice area (http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/product/475/10741/) Alternatively Tizzie’s facebook fan page is available where there are many fans who are more than happy to help out other parents with establishing the routines which is of course free. We do try to read all the posts on this page but we cannot guarantee this and of course the advice given is that of the parents and may not necessarily match that of myself and the Save Our Sleep® team. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tizzie-Hall-Save-Our-SleepR-The-International-Baby-Whisperer/455972630507?ref=ts)
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April 15th, 2012 at 11:48 pm Jasmine says:
I was given your book as a gift for my baby shower, I think every single one of my friends has your book!! Super popular and everyone I run into asks “Is your baby on the Save Our Sleep Routine?”
My son is 14 weeks old and we have been doing our own bedtime routine which seems to be working fine from 6 weeks old. Shower with Daddy at 5.30pm, Bottle at 6pm and straight to sleep at 6.30pm awake!(put down straight from burping) We do a feed at 2am now as we were doing 11pm feed but he was waking at 5am but with a 2am feed he sleeps until 6am. He is also impossible to dreamfeed, as soon as you touch him, he wakes.
I try to do the same sleep routine everyday during the day but he is very random with his sleep patterns. He was sleeping 2x 2.5-3hours (7.30am bed and 11.30am bed) on this routine but now he will wake after 1.5hours which throws the whole day routine, forcing him to have a 10am bottle and going to bed not long after. Also the reason I rarely leave the house as he does not sleep in his pram at all or the carseat! I figured at least in his cot he got sleep?
We wanted to do 6am wake and 6pm bedtime everyday as I was finding 7pm, like on your routines, was so late and we weren’t having dinner til 8pm which was making it too late for bed for me!
He also had terrible intolerances which we are still investigating so he was put on Neocate medicated formula by our Dr. He does sleep on his tummy during the day as this helped relieve the pain (I do have a motion monitor though) and he sleeps in a sleeping bag at night on his back.
What is your suggestion to help him sleep longer during the day or to get back to sleeping his 2.5-3 hours again……. I have been upsetting myself wondering what I have done wrong all of a sudden….
Thank you Tizzie, I wish you were my next door neighbour!!!
May 1st, 2012 at 3:20 am Marisa says:
Firstly, to repeat what everyone else has said, thank you for all the fantastic advice in “Save Our Sleep”. I was given two copies of the book by two people while I was pregnant, goes to show how popular it is! Love it!
Is it okay for our 7 week old baby to sleep in the bouncer for every sleep except for between the dreamfeed at 10pm and when she wakes at 7am? She doesn’t like to be left in her basinette in the bedroom alone.
Thanks again and regards,
May 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm Tania says:
I have been following your schedules since the bith of my little boy who is now 15 months old. However I am confused with sample routine for a baby aged 14 months in your book as it states first daytime sleep at 10.45am and then 3 hours and 40 minutes after he woke (if a sleep of under 2.5 hours).
So generally my little boy will sleep up to 1.5 hours which would be from 10.45am – 12.15pm. But 3 hours and 40 mins from then would be 4pm but you then advise not to sleep past 4.15pm. So am i correct in assuming he should only be allowed to sleep for 15 mins before waking?
Appreciate your guidance on this one!
June 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am Karina says:
I have been following your routines closely since early days, and all is going well so far, except for the catnapping issue. My daughter is 6 1/2 weeks old and has been catnapping for the past two-three weeks (self-settles fairly quickly and then wakes up after 40 minutes). In your book you advise to get her up, praise her, and then sit in a chair and pat her to the rhythm of my heartbeat to encourage more sleep in the allocated time. I have been doing exactly that, and she loves it and usually goes back into a deep sleep on my chest fairly quickly.
However, I’m wondering a few things… When she falls asleep on my chest, should I keep her there sleeping until her next feed is due? Or, when she falls asleep on my chest, should I pop her back into her cot? I’ve tried both, and she easily sleeps well on my chest until the next feed is due, but when put back in her cot she awakens after 5-10 minutes or so, crying again.
OR… am I meant to keep her awake like you did with “Amy” ??
In your book, you tell of Amy’s story – a 14-week old baby whose catnapping problem was solved by getting her up, praising her, and then keeping her awake until the next feed… etc… and eventually she learned to sleep for the entire sleep time. Does this mean she was not put onto Mummy’s chest and encouraged to sleep more after her 40-minute catnap? Was she just kept awake straight after her catnap?
If my baby keeps on catnapping, should I perhaps not put her on my chest and let her sleep there…. but instead keep her awake straight after her 40-minute catnap until her next routine sleep?
Any clarity that you could provide would be extremely helpful.
June 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am Karina says:
P.S. I forgot to mention that the catnapping is only taking place during the day sleeps.
Also, I have tried your advice from your book about putting her to sleep 20 minutes later than the recommended time in her morning and afternoon sleeps… to make sure she is tired enough to sleep and not just nap.
Thank you again! 🙂
July 22nd, 2012 at 2:34 pm Sallie P says:
I bought the save our sleep book a month ago, it’s the best investment i have made in a long time!
We’ve finally got our 4 month old into some kind of routine.
We put him down to sleep at 7pm and then give him a dreamfeed at 10.30.
I am finding he is waking at 3am, falling asleep for an hour and then waking again until 7am. I thought maybe he is hungry so i’d give him a feed at 3am, he wouldn’t have a full bottle more of a top up. I found there was no change he would still waked up at 4, 5, 6am. Most nights he just settles himself to sleep.
His room is most nights at 20C.
I am trying to work out why he is waking but can’t pinpoint it!
Hope you can help!
July 22nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm Sallie P says:
Let me rephrase this I am finding he is waking at 3am, falling asleep for an hour to 45 min then awake again at 4, 5, 6am until i get him out of bed at 7am
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm Karla says:
Before I read your book my daughter had already settled into a similar routine on her own with day time feeding and sleeps in line with your recomendations. At night she has been consistently sleeping from 8 hours from 7pm to 3am and doesn’t seem to need the 10.30pm feed ( I express and store it instead). The 3am feed is a full one and she goes back to sleep very easily but she then only sleeps until 5.30am and won’t settle at all.
We are now trying to make the long sleep period go from 10.30pm to 6.30am so we can eliminate the 3am feed (& get better sleep ourselves) but we aren’t having much luck. Regardless of the new 10.30pm feed she now wakes anywhere between 1am and 3am and then struggles to resettle (can take up to 45 minutes). She still also will not sleep past 6am.
January 23rd, 2013 at 1:33 pm Leyla says:
My baby loves your routine and he is 3.5 mnths old. I am trying to get him used to sleeping in places other than his cot for the long morning or lunch sleeps but he only sleeps for 1 sleep cycle if he is not in his cot. Any suggestions on what to do?
June 22nd, 2013 at 4:00 pm Karolina says:
I’m following you routine with my 4 week old baby girl. She is pretty agreeable to the routine and sleeps so well. Violet (my daughter) feeds quite quickly and is happy to go to sleep – sometimes. Other times she just lays in her bassinet for a while and gets herself to sleep. Im just wondering if she feeds quickly should I be starting the feeds later to ensure that I put her down at the designated time? Or should I just keep her alert and talk with her, on the couch for example, until ‘sleep time’?
I’m just a little worried that he might be sleeping too much in the day and then gets ‘ratty’ when I put her down at 7pm and often will not settle or sleep until the next 9:30 feed.
My daughter sleeps really well after the 9:30 feed always, and will wake once in the night then again between 6 and 7. It’s just the day sleeping which is unpredictable and I’m not entirely sure what I should be doing to ensure she goes down at 7 and wakes at 7.
She is becoming more alert and as the routine continues and I suppose this will continue as she gets older, so I guess my question is should I be feeding her then play/interact with her until the next feed time or should I just put her straight back to sleep after a feed? If that is the case… when am I supposed to interact with her, you routine only talks about this after the 4 pm feed.
Your help with this will be appreciated so much as I feel I’m at a bit of a loss, and not confident in what to do (new mum doubts)! I feel so guilty that I spend no time with her (apart from feeds)… and ultimately stuffing up the routine… please help!!
June 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 pm Kate says:
Hi Karolina :
Thank you for your post and congratulations on your new baby. You need to stick to the feed times as per the routines. After your baby has finished her feed this is then considered her ‘play’ time, which at this age is just you interacting with her in any sort of awake activity. You do need to then keep her awake until her next routine sleep time. If she is going down before her routine sleep time this could lead to her having trouble settling at 7pm from having too much day sleep. You can find more details about issues with settling at 7pm in this article – http://shop.saveoursleep.com.au/product/1802/31443/ .
At this age, night feeds as you have described are still very normal. However we would recommend ensuring that she has adequate bedding as Tizzie explains in her bedding guide so that she is warm enough to sleep well. You can get to it via this link http://news.saveoursleep.com/newsletter.asp?n=E393C841E490485E . If she wakes any time before 6.40am Tizzie advises to treat this as a night feed and then feed her and pop her back to bed until 7am or for 20 mins, whichever is longer. You can find this information on page 113 of the Feeding book.
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June 2nd, 2016 at 10:50 am Tammy says:
My little man is 11 weeks and we have Ben on your routine from approx 6 weeks. He is self settling and sleeping well at night… But naps in the day don’t last beyond 40-5o minutes. But it’s not enough as he wakes up grumpy and starts complaining after few minutes. I usually take him for a walk in the pram or sit on the swing seat so he gets an extra hour sleep before his feed. I’v persisted with this like it says in the book but he’s not improved. He doesn’t have a dummy, he sleeps in same spot, same bed suit, same routine. I’v made sure I’v tried to keep him up allocated time thinking that would improve things, but often he only sleeps 3o minutes. I’v checked to make sure not too hot or cold. I’m not sure what else to do as he goes down settled most of the time, wakes up chilled and lays in bed and seems almost close to putting himself back to sleep.. But then he starts to winge after a while and then he gets more and more upset when I’v tried to leave him and see if that will work.
September 9th, 2016 at 9:21 am Jessie Young says:
We are trying really hard to get our little one into a good routine he is now 17 weeks old. We have had a few issues from the get go with our little one. He was 4 weeks early and has suffered from silent reflux and allergies (lactose intolerant). We have put him on perscprition formula and nexium and have seen great results in regards to the formula. We were doing really well with his night sleeps (sleeping through or waking at 3-4am for a feed) up until about a month ago. He was a terrible day sleeper and i couldnt get him to sleep anywhere other than my arms. We went to a sleep school and got some great advise and have now managed to get him to sleep in his bassinet during the day. We are following a sleep play feed routine feeding everywhere 3-4 hours depending on when he wakes. We have now noticed that his night time sleeps are TERRIBLE. He recently got a cold and I had to sooth him more and now Im up anywhere from 5-10 times a night and feed anywhere from 2-3 times. Sometimes at 10-11pm then 1-2am and 4-5am. He wakes at 7am every morning regardless of when he feeds and I make sure I feed him/ top him up and start our day then. We are just wondering if you have any advise on how to get him to sleep better at night and whether when he wakes earlier during his day sleeps what we do in regards to feeding?
A normal day goes as follows…
10:30-11am up and feed
1.30-2pm up and feed
5-6pm up and feed
7-8pm down for the night
Its hard to have a full routine as he is awake for 1.5-2hrs and sleeps from 1.5-2hrs so nothing is set in stone.
Any help to get things on track would be great. I just find it hard to follow some of your routines when he only sleeps for shorter periods or his so tired before his sleep time? How do I adjust it to suit us?
May 2nd, 2017 at 9:34 pm Laura Turnbull says:
We’ve just started your routines. My daughter is 9 weeks old.
She seems to settle Gérard quite well especially at 7pm bedtime. We give her a dream feed at 10 then she wakes at 2.30am for another feed then (notmally) sleeps to 6.30-7am.
When she has her day sleeps she settles well but only sleeps for one cycle. In your book you say to get her and go out in the car etc. She often doesn’t cry when she wakes up but wriggles around with her eyes open. Should I leave her or get her? If I leave her she often lies there for a long time so isn’t getting her sleep etc.
May 5th, 2017 at 5:48 am Stephanie Bennion says:
Hi Tizzy, i wonder if you can help. I have a 2 and a half year old and a 9 month old, my 2 and a half year old is frequently waking through the night, yelling/shouting/screaming for me, often waking my 9 month old. I speak to her over the monitor telling her that me, daddy and her sister are all asleep and it is time to go to sleep, sometimes she will settle herself and go back to sleep but often she will wake screaming again a couple of hours later. any suggestions on how best to deal with this? many thanks, Stephanie.